Friday, November 21, 2008

Crystal bollocks.

Sod what happens in their comics, the most interesting dynamic at DC is between Dan DiDio and his court jester, Keith Giffen. God, I wish DiDio would just read one of Giffen's damned columns for CBR and take heed. Especially his latest. Y'know what? For a guy with sod all editorial experience, Giffen would make a good Chief over there. A man in the Dick Giordano mould, I'd say.  Think about it, AOL/WB/whoever.

Also, I made Giffen's Charlton/WATCHMEN prediction years ago. It'll happen someday. With the total disintegration of the relationship between DC and Alan Moore; and DC excising all the original incarnations of the Charton characters from their mainstream (the killing of Ted Kord, the death of Vic Sage, Captain Adam becoming Monarch); the reinstatement of Charlton's own "universe", Earth 4, within DC's multiverse in INFINITE CRISIS; the example of Morrison's Dr Manhattan-esque handling of Captain Atom in SUPERMAN BEYOND; then throw Morrison's enmity with Moore into the bargain and it just makes it seem more inevitable.

7 comments:

sean witzke said...

Giffens column is the closest thing to Gruenwald's column these days, huh?

RAB said...

I don't see much similarity between Giordano and Giffen, I'm afraid. Giordano came to DC with a proven track record as a good manager and editor at Charlton with great skills at dealing with talent and staff...and more importantly, he wasn't some glorified nerdy fanboy. Really, honestly, that's what Giffen is. He's never shown himself to be a particularly good leader or manager, and I haven't seen anything to indicate he'd be any better at dealing with creators than DiDio.

There are certainly good examples of artists turned head guy in comics -- Carmine Infantino presided over the most creative period of DC's history prior to Giordano, after all, and Erik Larsen publishes a lot of good stuff -- but there's also Rob Liefeld. (Not sure on which side I want to put Joe Quesada just yet, but I sure don't like his Marvel.)

Actually, this latest column got me riled up at Giffen: about half the time I was going "Really? Look who's talking!" about his criticisms.

Mark said...

Giffen is probably horrified by my suggestion that he should have an editorial role anywhere, so any argument is moot, but I didn't just pluck that thesis out of thin air. But he's a writer/artist whose proven to be a great collaborative influence, time and again. He's always picked great talent to work with, so probably has a fabulous little black book.

Time and again, when in positions of influence on popular books, he's brought through plenty of new talent (Steve Lightle, Kevin Maguire, Bart Sears, Chris Sprouse, Jason Pearson, and currently Joe Abraham, have all learnt storytelling from his breakdowns), so we know he's an old hand at mentoring. And when you get that "Really? Look who's talking!" feeling, I get reassured that if he can spot the flaws in his own work so readily, he should be able to see them in others easily, too.

And I know nothing of Dan DiDio's man management skills, but I'm sure they're fine. My main problem with the guy is that he seems too handsy at an editorial level. When you hire guys like Grant Morrison and Jimmy Robinson, just let them get on with doing their thang. Sod the myth of "cohesion" that drives DC and Marvel to co-opt their entire lines of books into this cycle of event after event.

Actually, RAB, thanks. You've helped me clarify my feelings on the matter. I now know exactly who should be E-O-C over there. Me.

RAB said...

Actually, there's no question in my mind you'd make a great editor or editor in chief. Seriously! You've shown a lot of qualities I associate with a really first rate editor. Give it a shot someday, man!

What you're describing as the role of an editor is definitely what I've always advocated and what Mark Evanier summed up concisely as "the editor's job should be to hire the people who can do the work, then stay out of their way." The predominant model at the Big Two for many years now has been that the writing in particular is considered a collaboration between nominal writer and nominal editor -- I've had half a dozen editors describe it to me that way in precisely those words -- and this has led to a lot of the problems we see today. Not least because the editors at those companies often seem to be the ones with least experience, learning on the job and giving directions to people who know way more.

That said, if DiDio were just an editor, editing a particular book or books and not overseeing the whole megilla, he might not be bad. I just don't think micromanaging from the top creates a good working environment, especially when it means the nominal middle management keep seeing their choices overruled, so their authority and opportunities to learn are squashed. He's got some serious morale issues at the company that need to be fixed. (N.B.: I know people who are really good friends of his, so I know there's a side to the guy other than what we see from the audience.)

Don't take what I said as disparaging Keith Giffen; I don't know him personally, but I'd agree with pretty much everything you said about him. And if he were ever art director or "head creative consultant" -- meaning someone whose advice on creative and artistic matters was heeded, but had no administrative or business responsibilities -- for a publisher, that could be outstanding. I imagine the stuff in his column that made me think "Look who's talking!" was written with tongue in cheek (i.e. he knows he's one of the biggest culprits in the stuff he was complaining about) but, y'know, it's still sort of, gimme a break. (Articulate as ever, me.)

Mark said...

Now all we need to do is find some sucker to hire me.

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